Re: [-empyre-] multi-perspectival / cultural hegemony of space

[John Klima <klima@echonyc.com>]

hey jim,

love the notion of immense beings moving at speeds in scale with their
girth. they prolly have really awesome first person shooters.
unfortunately even on a DSL it would take several millenia to download
the demos.

the "oeil complex" piece is very nice, but perhaps my intimate knowledge
about how these things are built prevents me from suspending my
disbelief. i see the "wires" or in this case the polygons holding the
shape together. however i'll definitely concede that someone without my
particular esoteric experience would indeed see something considerably
more confounding.

j


Jim Andrews wrote:
> 
> hi john,
> 
> the space we walk around in every day is whatever it is. pretty mysterious stuff. euclidean and
> non-euclidean geometries are models of space. maps are not the territory, as we know. maybe
> there are fat creatures several light years in diameter that have non-euclidean intuition. i
> wonder if they're on any lists? because that scale of things seems to be where the non-euclidean
> turns into the quotidian. or maybe with very fast beasties that travel at some significant
> proportion of the speed of light.
> 
> i suspect that 'seeing 4d space' is not so much a matter of actually seeing it as knowing its
> properties well enough that one can imagine how things change and look from various
> perspectives, sort of like being able to play chess without looking at the board, which is of
> course possible. 3(r)d eye stuff.
> 
> it's true that what we're looking at at the moment is a monitor that is flat and is programmed
> with euclidean space very much in mind. but did you check out that durieu piece? there's an
> intelligable space made very imaginative via a complex mapping. Nice puns in the title, too:
> "Oeil Complex", the complex of eyes, the reference to complex analysis and i.
> 
> i think that the use to artists of non-euclidean geometries and godelian philosophies and so on
> is mainly to become a fat creature several light years in diameter but to phone home frequently.
> to not play by the book, anyway.
> 
> Poemy poems in space:
> http://vispo.com/writings/poems/alice.htm
> http://vispo.com/writings/SeveralNumbersThroughtheLyric/TheMeetingPlaceII.pdf
> 
> the 'cultural hegemony' of euclidean space will probably not be challenged soon by the fatties,
> it's true. just the 'intellectual hegemony' maybe.
> 
> ja
> 
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